TharnType (2019)

O primeiro BL que assisti

Tharntype foi o primeiro BL que assisti (isso lá em 2020, no seu auge). Eu reassiti recentemente e percebi muitas coisas que me incomodaram nessa segunda ou terceira vez. A cena do que o Tharn fez com o Type BÊBADO no primeiro episódio me chateou bastante, e a demora na evolução do pensamento do Type me dava nos nervos, além do fato de todas as coisas ruins que o Lhong fez e não recebeu nenhuma punição legal pelos seus atos. Sei que ele perdeu a amizade de Tharn, mas ele é um criminoso, e Tar não fez nada para prendê-lo!

Enfim, de resto, é uma série muito boa, eu me diverti acompanhando o romance do casal se desenvolver e no final os dois ficarem muito bobinhos um pelo outro. Apesar da demora, é bom ver como Type mudou seu pensamento, pois ele é clara representação de muitos homofóbicos por aí, mas até aquele que diz odiar gays, pode mudar completamente o seu pensamento. Tharn é um personagem muito carismático, e a atuação do Mew só potencializou isso. Assim como a atuação do Gulf, que deu muitas camadas interessantes para seu personagem. Amo a comédia presente no enredo, alivia muito o clima de tensão que os episódios carregam. É uma boa comédia romântica com enemies to lovers e muito drama, que perde um pouco a mão na hora de abordar assuntos sensíveis, no mais, é muito boa! Um BL que dá aula no quesito "química" entre o casal. ??

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Great Actors with a Problematic Story feat. Good Music

I decided to start watching TharnType because I really like Mew Suppasit. I didn't really know what the story was really about or anything that happened so I was pretty much going in blind. The first few episodes were okay besides the fact that Type openly hates gay people, calls Tharn slurs and ruins his things (?)

In the episode where Type gets drunk and sleeps in Tharn's bed, Techno tells Tharn not to do anything to him and Tharn says he won't. This is where the series started to make me feel iffy about it. Tharn goes back on his word and kisses/leave hickeys on Type. The way Type reacted as well was weird because he was more mad about the fact that a guy kissed him than the fact that he was kissed without his consent/while he was drunk/sleeping.

I watched this series because I really love the actors. Mew, Gulf and Mild really did an amazing job acting out these characters. The rest of the cast is fantastic too- Tharn's family, Type's family, P'Jeed, Lhong, Tar, etc. The music is fantastic as well. Be Mine is an AMAZING song as well as Hold Me Tight. This series does have some redeeming qualities, but mostly I feel like it can be problematic at points and the story doesn't lead anywhere. Continuity can be kind of a miss at some points too (Tharn told Type he dated his band member's brother and that his first time was with a senior and Type was completely dumbfounded to find out about either of them LOL).

But, I mean I /did/ watch it all the way through and even decided to stick it out to season 2. The actors really do make the series and I think thats why it is so popular. The storyline itself isn't what made the show and sometimes you just stick it out because of the actors you like.

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Great chemistry

This is by far my fav bl drama. The chemistry of the characters is so good which makes their acter better. The storyline was different and the director did a great job at providing enough information on their past for the viewer to sympathize with them. The huge mystery behind Tharn's exes was kept hidden very well and, honestly, I could have never thought that Lhong was the culprit and such an asshole. Even though the relationship was kind of toxic, they made it work. I went back to watch this series 4 times more, so far. I think it was because of the attachment I had with Gulf's character 'Type'. Have to add that the music was very addicting as well. I definitely listened to the songs after finishing the series.

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I hate it but I love it.

"They're so toxic together," I say as I click on another episode.

Let's start with the things I did not like.
Seriously. How can I watch a series where the couple is so awful yet enjoy it?
First, I don't care what anyone says, Tharn literally molests Type. Multiple times he goes in on Type while the boy is actively saying no. Second, Type is a homophobic shithead. We know this. Yet he's begging for dick by the fourth episode. Make it make sense please. Also, Type is so emotionally abusive. Yet Tharn is such a glutton for punishment, like Type insults him and he's like "uwu that's my baby" Plus Tharn defends Type's homophobia multiple times, which is gross.
Lastly there were many many plotholes that were not filled. Like what happened to San? What happens to Tum? What happened to Type's friend that came out to him? How is Type so okay with PDA by the last episode? What about his family? Why was Lhong's ending so...neutral?

Okay. Anyway, lets go into the things I did like.
The lead actors had amazing chemistry. The actor for Type was great at pretending to be homophobic. Actually the actors for Tharn and Lhong in particular stood out to me with their acting. They were really good at portraying strong emotions.
The trauma was handled in a careful, sensitive way. Type's actor did great with that, as did Tar's. The steamy scenes were super sexy. That's what I might come back to, actually, the steamy scenes. Lol. The breakup made me sob like a baby. This drama did a great job at showing the sensitive sides of men. There was a lot of crying and I think that is super healthy especially in societies that like to put people into boxes. I know that despite having so many criticisms, I've rated it relatively high, but that's because overall I did enjoy it. I was hooked in the first twenty minutes. It kept me watching. I was worried about the characters and their problems. So I grudgingly give it these high-ish scores. That said, please don't make tv shows or stories like these that have consent issues. It sucks.

Edit: okay I realized there's a second season and some specials, all of which I have now watched. Most of my questions above got answered. But it was honestly more stressful. These boys don't know how to communicate. And they fight about such meaningless bullshit. Literally every other day they're fighting about something stupid. Type is super aggressive. He can't speak kindly to most people at all, not even Tharn. Most people are nice to their partners. Type is not. He's a sarcastic asshole like 73% of the time. I don't care if you've had a shitty day at work, do not take it out on your partner. These two are the same as most toxic relationships: "When it's bad, it's really bad. But when it's good, it's really good." That's probably the only reason I could keep watching. The cute parts between the two of them were really cute.
In terms of character development, the second season was much improved from the first. I found the character of Champ very interesting because I couldn't really figure out what his sexual orientation was. Not that it has to be specified. Type's never was either. Just because he likes one man doesn't mean he likes men in general. (I just can't imagine this character sucking dick. I can't.) But Champ appears to have no interest in romance or sex. He states that being single is easiest, that he doesn't understand love. He may be ace, I dunno. That'd be some really cool representation. But he does like Doc, and their story was a nice wholesome distraction from the craziness of the main story. So that's why I liked Champ. He was a unique person and I haven't seen many characters like him who don't really worry about love.

Edit2: returned once again to score the rewatch value and music higher because I literally just watched it all again after a week trying to keep it out of my head lol and also the music gets better the more I hear it. I'm starting to think I like this show more than I'm willing to admit ?

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Recently start watching this and am seeing everyone bashing tharn but omg type attitude sucked. I understand you went through a horrible ordeal but didn't give him the right to treat tharn in that matter. What had me literally cussing was when type had a girlfriend and he slapped tharn and said am not gay ooooh blood pressure went up ??. What I will never understand in this series he hated gays but he stayed in the same room with the individual ?? had sex . I only finished this because of tharn. Type ooooh he made me wanted to sin my fireball soul. Gay or straight ain't nobody taking that crap what Type was doing

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TOXICITY IS EVERYWHERE

How can a drama with all the characters being toxic??? I would be dead by poison if I was also a part of that drama. The story is quite catchy and full of different types of emotion but I would never want to be with someone with the traits of all the characters (excluding Techno because he's a true friend and the funniest one). I hope they should've made a better story for Tar because this is the reason I rated the story with 6/10. That was one of the worst storylines I've seen so far in Drama World.

How could I forget the kissing scenes??? I can't remember how many kissing/sex scenes are in this drama. That was too much. It even beats KinnPorsche and Love In The Air.

The acting is really good in this drama. What I like about their acting is how well the actors portray their character. I guess there is some backlash regarding the toxicity of most characters here. But it is how the script is given to them. The main characters have good chemistry. The romantic scenes here are actually enticing though but why would they always cut it and finish with kissing? hahaha

If only this series has good storyline, I would give this a rewatch.

Anyways, this is watchable but I would not recommend this to someone who wants a healthy BL drama.

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Belle histoire

Cette série se laisse regarder, même si elle ressemble un peu à certaines. J'ai trouvé intéressant le fait qu'un homophobe soit colloc avec un gay, c'est un sujet que je n'avais pas encore vu. Type n'aime pas les hommes car il a été violé par un homme étant plus jeune, et Tharn tombe éperdument amoureux de lui. Il est patient et très doux du début à la fin, il lui pardonne tout, il supporte tout, alors que Type est insupportable ; son caractère est chiant, parfois immature, matcho, jaloux, etc... Il faut dire aussi que Tharn est très beau et qu'il a toujours eu beaucoup de succès auprès des filles comme des garçons...

Moi, ce qui m'a intéressé c'est le comportement de Type ; je voulais voir la progression de la relation, parce que ça n'était pas gagné dès le départ. Bon, faut avouer que l'amour peut faire faire n'importe quoi et rendre aveugle, surtout pour d'autres personnages, mais c'est comme ça. Au final, j'ai apprécié ce drama.

Il y a une belle alchimie entre les deux protagonistes principaux, et ça se ressent. C'est aussi assez romantique.

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Dropped

Well, the beginning was interesting and I got curious about the plot but it ended way too fast. They acted like Tom and Jerry for first four episodes and then were all over each other. I have to say I thought I'm gonna sympathize with Type after his traumatic past but he ruined my image of him in sixth ep. I get why he hated LGBTQ community but that doesn't mean he could hurt Tharn in the way he did. Tharn was also at fault for molesting him in the first eps even though he knew he hated gays and he did it in his sleep without consent which is a crime. He kept pouncing on him until he agreed to let him his way. Their whole relationship was toxic from the beginning. Also Tharn shouldn't agree to being bed buddies when he loved him, he knew very well what it meant but in the end it helped him to get closer to him. Now Type. I did not get why Type offered Tharn to sleep with him for some favors he did for him like some prostitute. He doesn't like to owe anyone and thought this was the only thing that Tharn wanted but taking him out on a date would be just more better and respectful. The whole time he was annoyed having sex with him so how could this repay anything? But Tharn got his hopes high he got more closet to him. Then after they turned to bed buddies, he went to see girl behind Tharn's back and now he's a complete asshole. He lied to Tharn but then told him it's none of his business and they are just f buddies even though he knew Tharn's feelings for him and what's more he knew the girl he's seeing has a crush on him. He slept with Tharn while chatting to her how he likes her. Then he wanted to sleep with her on their very first date. Well, she shouldn't invite him to her house which makes her look like a hoe but still. In the end he couldn't sleep with her as he somehow realized his feelings for Tharn and ran back to his d. Jeez, they both are way toxic and when I read they'll break up more than two times I gave up. It's just relationship that doesn't work and in the end they keep hurting each other.

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I get it

I have such a LOVE LOVE/hate relationship with this drama.
I have watched it seven times at this point. And I will definitely watch it so many more times.

Is it a good drama? Meh.
Am I completely obsessed with it? HELL yeah.

Here is the thing - this drama had a great idea, but extremely poor execution. They threw away the one plot point that could've explained a lot of Type's actions even if it didn't excuse them. His abuse should've been the catalyst to explain and form a frame for his development but unfortunately they forgot about it after the fourth episode. This is beyond tragic because by including the trauma as a central "set piece", so to speak, it could've been not just referenced by Type, it could be used for him to explore and later accept the part of himself that hates his abuser but loves Tharn, who has nothing in common with that man. They could've made a clear distinction between his pedophilic abuser and gay Tharn, who only loves him and doesn't want to hurt him - unfortunately that was not the way the show went and it suffered a lot for it. The next time Type's abuse gets brought up is literally at the end of season 2 and that's just such poor execution for something that could've elevated the show greately. Can we as the audience still infer a lot from Type's behaviour? Sure, but it's never stated as such in the show so he could be traumatized and deeply confused and questioning himself - or he could just be a dick.

Plot? What plot? The relationship is the plot, if you are expecting anything else ... well, we get a semblance of a plot near the end of the show but honestly, how Tharn and Type become a couple and how they develop as a couple - that's the plot of this show, more or less. Again, is that really plot? I personally don't think so but some other people might.

Many of the things that don't make sense in this drama are due to the lack of time indicators - you thought Type first extremely refused, then propositioned Tharn the next day? Naynay, there's actually a gap of several weeks here that the audience just isn't privy to because the production made no indication of how much time passes in between scenes. It makes many things horribly confusing because it seems like Type is just flip-flopping all over the place.

Now onto the problematic stuff. It's there, it's unavoidable - Type is a loudmouthed ass and his development is first super slow, then even seems to go backwards in places, then just doesn't develop in a normal way. Who punches their SO when they are being kissed by someone else? Type's emotions are all over the place and again - if they had EXPLAINED THIS BETTER it could've made sense without excusing his behaviour.
However the production clearly was out to progress the relationship as fast as possible and so a lot was left on the cutting-room floor unfortunately.
Tharn is no angel either, they both honestly deserve each other with how toxic and combative they are.
Coming unto a guy who is so clearly averse to you? Uncool. Assaulting Type in the shower, no matter how much you "know" he wants it? Absolutely unforgivable.
The show also equates gay = pedo which is obviously completely unexcusable.

However - when they are sweet, they are unbearably, teeth-rottingly adorable and this is were Mew's and Gulf's chemisty is just out of this world. There is a reason this drama stays in people's mind: not just the chemistry but the absolute physical comfort they have with each other. When they kiss, you absolutely believing not just that they love each other, but that they are super sexually attracted to each other too - you buy them as sex friends, as a couple. There's a reason there were so many rumors about the actors at the time. It's the sort of dynamic that had been, until that point, completely unseen in the BL landscape. And they honestly sell it almost too well: they are intimate and lovely to look at. Which makes the scenes when they are tearing each other apart even worse because you SEE, you BELIEVE, how much they love each other, so the scenes when they are vicious are so heartbreaking.

The acting is for the most part, quite good. Gulf sells the trauma incredibly well, he's magnificent in all scenes where strong emotions are to be portrayed. His confusion towards his own feelings come across really well and you can tell he's an emotionally stunted young man who's sharp with his words but not a dumb brute.
Mew I found a little flat in some scenes, but he too sell high emotion really well, and he's fantastic when Tharn is being cheeky or forelorn.
Personally, I found that Tharn obviously looks quite a bit older than Type (Mew was 28 when this was shot) but when it comes to those two, I think that didn't stand out much. However, when it comes to the past relationship between Tharn and Tar, I was swallowing my disgust because Tar literally looks 13, no matter how old the actor was. It left a really bad taste in my mouth, especially because Tharn so nonplused talked about his own sexual experience at 14 with a 19 year old ... seriously, so messed up. There are quite a few of these aspects randomly thrown into the show that I found to be highly disturbing but that the drama absolutely did not acknowledge (see above). What happened to Tar and the fact that Lhong got no punishment for it is a big one here.

I HATE EVERYTHING RELATING TO THE MUSIC IN THIS WITH A PASSION! I want to rip whoever was responsible for the audio production in this drama a whole new gaping hole because - wow, does it suck. The mics were either too sensitive or someone had no idea what they were doing, because they pickes up sounds from the staff, background noise from filming, small bits like russling papers, people coughing even. Not to mention that the music so often overshadows dialogue in really unfortunate moments and IS JUST PLAIN TOO LOUD. I'm going to commit a serious crime againt the guitar player in episode 5 (or was it 6) who was way too loud over one of the most intimate scenes in the show.

The secondary character I found all to be lovely, they all added something or brought a new aspect or conflict to the show, some were hilarious, some were just nice, others were hugly annoying - but they all had their place.

Now the finale - was it dumb? Yes. Was it worth destroying Tharn's entire being over a really not-thought-out plan that nearly killed Type? Nope, not in the least. Did the Long get what he deserved? He's not in jail, so no.

I can readily admit that this show is not that good, okay. But I still can't stop loving it.

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The plot is amazing. The chemistry and love between Tharn and Type is definitely my favourite no matter how many shows I've watch. HOWEVER, the relationship did started out in a very toxix way, the whole relationship basically built from the foundation of rape. And the way rape is celebrate is just scary for me sometime.

I do love each and every song is this show there the only "perfect" thing in this show.

As much as I love Gulf; I would still say the acting in this show is still very much quite awkward either Gulf or New. The crying scene are soooooo bad. If they didn't narrate their thought I probably wouldn't know he's crying.

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Lots of potential, decent progress but didn't quite make it

Tons of potential that was not fully met. Had lots of things that I expect, but never see in most bl dramas for eg std testing scene or like realistic depictions of college kids. Story had so much potential but really fell off halfway. Don't like the borderline non con bits. I like how the relationship became less toxic as time went by (only to become bad again in S2 lol). Chemistry b/w actors is great, most bls feels like 2 str8 guys trying to be gay for me haha but this was believable. I also really like Type's character (love the mean ones). Overall I think, story had tonnes of potential to explore themes of homosexuality, r*pe and trauma but fell into pandering to fanservice type of things before fully exploring those themes. But still felt like a more realistic depiction of gay relationships than most bls. (I rly hate the lhong's story or wtv though)

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This was a lot to take in.

Good lord okay. When I was watching this I almost dropped in twice. I honestly hate the "homophobe and gay" trope. Type was so absolutely mean to Tharn, and he kept up with it. Even (at least the English subtitles) Type called Tharn and two others derogatory terms, and yet Tharn and no stood up for him and in the end he wasnt the bad guy. I jsut couldnt look over the chemistry both acters didnt have, All the kisses looked very fake. Overall the acting was really good to the point I thought the "Homophobic character" seemed to real. Both of there characters were always battling with eavh other and would hurt Tharn in the end. I thought all of there arguments were ones that didnt need to be started. The amount of times I dropped my jaw from the show is insane. The way Type was sleeping with Tharn and going ona date with that girl at the same time then coming back to Tharn and just saying "Well i didnt do it for you. Sorry" I was literally waiting fro Tharn to kick him out of the apartment, but Im not here to hate on this show overall. The show wasnt the horrible. I thought the music was pretty and the acting was super real. I didnt give the show up and honestly some scenes were super nerve racking and exciting to watch, but would I really recommended this to someone? Probually not.

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