KinnPorsche (2022)

Aspettative troppo alte

Ho visto questa serie dopo diversi mesi dalla sua uscita sentendola lodare molto da tutti e quindi l'ho probabilmente iniziata con aspettative troppo alte pensando che avrei visto qualcosa di molto diverso. Iniziamo col dire che la cinematografia della serie, la regia, la fotografia tutto è di livello molto alto e si vede. Ciò che per me è mancato è il vibe giusto per l'argomento trattato. Si tratta di una serie di mafia in fondo, ambientata in ambiente mafioso, ma è troppo 'cute' in troppi episodi per esserlo veramente. La storia tra Porsche e Kinn è troppo dolce prende troppo tempo e non è realisticamente inserita nel contesto. A parte che non si capisce perchè si innamorino e tutto accada troppo in fretta, questo passi, ma la psicologia dei due personaggi è molto basica. Porsche ancora ancora ci sta,ma Kinn proprio non l'ho capito a parte che sente il peso della sua famiglia e del dovere e vorrebbe non averlo a parte che fatica a fidarsi della persone (ma va?) ma anche questo è mostrato in modo estremamente semplicistico. Così come anche la trama mafiosa dei problemi con la famiglia minore e gli italiani, che è veramente ridotta all'osso. Scene buttate lì ma non spiegate. Mentre entrare più a fondo negli affari di famiglia mostrarci gli intrighi politici con le altre mafie, il commercio e l'importazione della droga, il racket, tutto avrebbe reso più realistico il telefilm invece nada. Sono di più le scene nel bar che non le scene d'azione. Sarà che sono abituata a telefilm mafiosi di alto livello come La Piovra o Gomorra, sarà che mentre lo guardavo seguivo anche il kdrama Reborn rich estremamente ben costruito, e forse chiedevo troppo ad un BL. Ma anche Not me che pure era un BL thai è riuscito a darmi molta più profondità di temi sociali e politici pur contenendo tre storie d'amore. KinnPorsche no, rimance fluffy e cute veramente veramente troppo per una serie di Mafia. Gli unici personaggi credibili sono Korn, suo fratello e Pete come bodyguard (a volte). Ma gli altri sono macchiette o terribilmente troppo semplici se uno pensa seriamente ai loro ruoli. Poi per carità mi è stato simpatico il fratello maggiore di Kinn, e mi è piaciuto il ruolo di Kim il fratello minore. Ho capito meglio lui e il suo conflitto nel provare qualcosa per Porschay che non Kinn col suo rapporto con Porsche. L'ho visto più credibile. Non so, in questa serie ho visto molto potenziale buttato lì e sprecato purtroppo, a favore di ore e ore di scene smut della coppia principale a scapito di una trama che poteva essere molto ma molto meglio. E anche il finale. Mi sarei dovuta stupire che dietro a tutto c'era Korn? Non credo proprio, fin dall'inizio ci viene mostrato che è lui che controlla la partita tramite tantissime scene con gli scacchi, praticamente ce lo urlano che dietro a tuutto c'è lui. Sono piuttosto delusa. La colonna sonora però è veramente stupenda e utilizzata benissimo.

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Un capolavoro nell'idea, una serie con grosse pecche nel concreto.

KinnePorsche si prospettava come "LA" serie. Quella che aveva le carte in regola per strappare un 10 pieno e diventare il capolavoro del genere BL. Almeno questo è quanto promettevano trama e recensioni a dir poco estasiate. Il contesto della malavita e un'ambientazione per una volta tanto non accademica, era ciò in cui confidavo. Dopo i primi 6 minuti - quando Kinn fredda un tizio con un colpo di pistola - sono convinta: ho tra le mani un vero gioiello. Alla fine del primo episodio, e della memorabile scazzottata tra Kinn e Porsche, sono ancora dello stesso parere.
La triste verità si palesa, ahimè, già negli episodi successivi. Non ci sono personaggi che seguono una trama, ma la trama che si piega a scene volute tra i personaggi, meccanismo destinato ad incappare nell'incoerenza assoluta. Un esempio? La battuta ad effetto di Kinn rispetto al fatto che tutti lo vogliono morto...Tutti chi?!? Nel primo episodio gira con una scorta armata, dopo un po' di puntate se ne va a zonzo per i fatti suoi. Le pratiche BSDM di Kinn? Altro esempio, anche lì elemento iniziale ad effetto che - per carità - può starci, ma poi non può finire nel nulla cosmico. Ciò che si promette allo spettatore, che siano caratterizzazioni, frasi o quant'altro, deve poi essere mantenuto, altrimenti nasce spontaneo l'interrogativo "Ma perchè?!?!?". Dico, ma dove sta la credibilità di uno spietato boss della malavita con la mira di un cecchino che si illumina di entusiasmo manco fosse un albero a Natale nel catturare un pesce con un bastone la cui punta - c'è davvero bisogno che qualcuno glielo dica? - non può essere spuntata? Ma per favore, non scherziamo. La serie procede, le belle premesse iniziali finiscono nel dimenticatoio e la coppia felice cade sempre di più nell'OOC: Porsche in particolare viene proprio snaturato, un bel personaggio con un carattere deciso e definito che diventa a tratti ridicolo col suo risolino melenso. Kinn, poi, è stato davvero una delusione cocente: quella maschera di spietata freddezza che avevo tanto apprezzato nel primo episodio si è rivelata essere in realtà la sua unica espressione. No, errore mio, le sue espressioni in realtà sono ben due: Kinn che non sorride e Kinn che sorride. Se all'attore che interpreta Porsche riconosco la capacità di aver saputo mostrare tutta una serie di espressioni, per Kinn - e più che il personaggio dovrei dire l'attore che lo interpreta - mi è sembrato davvero di avere a che fare con una paresi facciale che non distingueva rabbia, preoccupazione, noia, paura, stupore, risentimento o che altro. Va da sé che la chimica tra i due - nonostante credo sia la serie che più di tutte può vantare le scene più esplicite (NC18 senza ombra di dubbio) - alla fine è quella che è, vuoi per la poca espressività i Kinn, vuoi per Porsche che del personaggio iniziale conserva giusto il nome. Grossolani errori vengono perpetrati anche a danno dei personaggi secondari, in primis Pete/Vegas: io capisco l'idea che sta dietro alla loro ship, un amore che nasce da un iniziale odio, ma messa così non è davvero credibile: cinque minuti prima Vegas si accanisce su Pete torturandolo fino a ridurlo praticamente in fin di vita, cinque minuti dopo i due si avvicinano grazie al "toccante" momento della dipartita del riccio di Vegas. Dai, mi viene da ridere anche mentre lo scrivo. In questo mare di pecche la serie ha comunque un suo fascino, per quanto altalenante e discontinuo. A salvarla sono due personaggi secondari: uno è Thankhun, splendido ed esilarante con la sua verve, la dipendenza dalle serie tv, l'abbigliamento a dir poco eccentrico e la sua passione per le carpe koi; l'altro è Kim, un personaggio con tutti gli attributi che avrebbe dovuto avere Kinn nel ruolo del boss protagonista della serie. E' proprio Kim che sa muoversi perfettamente in quel mondo che paradossalmente sembra rifuggire: freddo, determinato, mai snaturato, consapevole delle proprie abilità "da cattivo" ma che non necessita mai di metterle in mostra se non necessarie. E' diretto e scaltro, fedele ai suoi principi e soprattutto non si trasforma in una "panna cotta" come accade a Kinn e Porsche in diverse scene di una glicemia banale e irritante. KinnPorsche non è quindi un capolavoro, poteva essere l'idea di un capolavoro, poteva avere una qualità di riprese degne di un capolavoro...ma per quella temo dovrò ancora attendere che qualcuno, con magari con le stesse premesse, voglia dare vita a una serie simile che non tralasci però la coerenza nella trama e che punti a personaggi/attori come Kim senza però snaturarli in corso d'opera.

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THE BEST MAFIA THEMED SERIES FOR SURE

I am writing this after a year.... And you can already imagine what the series is for me that I can watch it again and again.... When it said the series was not going to be released because of production problem I was mad as heck but the series was WORTH OF ALL THE WAITING! The cast , their chemistry, plots, quality altogether it was the best of BE ON CLOUD and always will be! Hoping for Season 2.... If u are new in this BL WORLD this will make u fall in love with this world. I used to prefer only fluffy, all white, student life or mid 20s' BL SERIES ( but I was a HUGE THARNTYPE & MANNER OF DEATH fan then also lol) as I started with 2gether and used to just watch Gmmtv, Studio Wabi Sabi and Rookies Thailand's series and used to think these MAFIA themed series are not my type but this series proved me wrong! Now I am obsessed with BE ON CLOUD !!! If you are hesitant because of Mafia genre I assure you that you will loveee it! GO FOR IT

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Practically perfect.. however...

There is so much to love about this series that it's hard to pick which aspect was at the top. But for me, the overall production was superbly executed; everything from the story to the acting to the camera work and direction. (Special shout-out to the fight scene in the casino and, more specifically, the panning shot going up and down the stairs.)

It truly was a rollercoaster ride of emotions - sometimes so quick, in fact, that I felt like I may get resulting whiplash. Within the span of 10 minutes, there could be a moment of laughter, tugging at heartstrings and on the verge of tears in suspense, but it still all worked well and somehow managed to flow all the same.

I like how every character has their strengths and their flaws. No one is perfect and they all make mistakes, but you still root for them despite their shortcomings. They are all simply human, trying to make the most out of the hands they were dealt either from birth or somewhere along the way.

While I would love to see more, I feel like the story could end here, at least as far as the relationships go. The only relationships I'd be curious about is Kim and then how the boys handle being reunited with their mom. However, it kind of broke my heart that the mom looked almost uncomfortable and afraid of them as they hugged her in the ending scene. They just want to love her but they are essentially strangers to her and that's devastating... I don't know if I could sit through more scenes like that. And yet I thought it was beautifully executed all the same to show the reality of the situation and that being reunited is not going to be all hearts and rainbows.

Overall, the series was the best I've watched to date in the BL genre, hands down. There is definitely rewatch value in it, especially knowing what the ending is. I'm looking forward to searching for hints from the beginning since I know there were "lightbulb" moments for sure.


***EDIT***

After watching the series a second time, I feel like there is even more rewatch value in this series. During the first watch, I'm constantly confused with all the deceit and trying to guess who is actually good or bad. But, as I've said above, everyone is flawed in their own ways yet it's how they deal with it that makes the viewer either root for them or jeer them.

My main gripe with it is the whole storyline with Porsche's parents essentially being thrown in in the penultimate episode. That didn't really give viewers much time to grasp what the heck was going on and I still wonder who was telling the truth with all the different scenarios that were presented. And man, the way the mother was uncomfortable while Chay and Porsche tried to make her remember them still bugs me the second time around.

I did have to up my rating though because it's still a great series and I will keep it in rotation for favorite series.

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Revolucionou a indústria.

Não é perfeita mas possui boas atuações, boa fotografia e atores carismáticos. Queria poder dar um 10/10 mas os últimos episódios me decepcionaram e muito, infelizmente eles não souberam guiar a serie para o final que ela merecia. A decisão de fazer o Porsche chefiar a segunda família foi terrível visto que ele sempre odiou trabalhar para o Kinn e sempre desejou viver em paz com o irmão, não faz o mínimo de sentido ele ter aceitado aquilo, poderiam ter feito o Vegas assumir o controle da segunda família e fazer ele fugir com o Pete para voltarem com uma possível rivalidade com a primeira família em uma segunda temporada.

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Fun and Steamy Show...But When It Falls, It Falls. Hard.

I decided to finally sit down and watch KinnPorsche as I was aware that it was quite a popular BL title for a lot of people and I absolutely had to see what the fuss was about.

I will say, I definitely find it amusing how steamy this show could be when it wanted to...and it definitely wanted to be as often as it could, and watching Kinn and Porsche's bond grow stronger was also a fun ride.

However, I do have to ask what the point of the 3rd couple - Porchay and Kim - was. Quite frankly, I wasn't that interested in their relationship once time was spent on their potential romance arc. And once it became clear that Kim was using Porchay for his own motives (and I assume getting feelings in the process?) I was hoping the ship would sink and it'd be more a matter that whatever went on between them was more to serve the purpose of the main plot as opposed to stirring up a third couple.

But no.

Nothing really happens with Kim and Porchay. On one hand, I'm fine with this as it means we're not wasting time on a romance arc I wouldn't care for and couldn't see feasibly coming about. But on the other hand, it's underwhelming how irrelevant both characters are in regards to the absolutely chaotic plot they're supposed to be a part of. Kim in particular I especially did not see much value in because everything about him was so superfluous. All his investigating into the death of Porsche and Porchay's parents and getting close to the latter to try and garner info...goes nowhere. Was something dropped?

I feel as though you could have either cut Kim from the plot entirely and have Porchay be a far simpler character who gives Porsche someone to protect, or even delve into an active romance but show another perspective through Porchay and how he deals with everything going on around him. The problem is, the show establishes that Kim is rather distanced from the main family so he's not as active in the main story. Any scenes involving this supposed couple are just not fun to watch because I cannot bring myself to care for it.

The secondary (?) romance between Vegas and Pete is a fun one to watch. I don't mind a story that wants to be rather unsavory and dark. A lot of stories out there can be quite optimistic and cutesy so sometimes its fun to watch a darker romance every once in a while. I hesitate somewhat in calling it a secondary pairing because - and perhaps it's just me - I was caught by surprise when these two started sharing more scenes together and a connection was actively forming between them. Both characters, despite the toxicity of their relationship in reality, drew me in with how intricate and complex their personalities and backgrounds were. It is through Vegas' chaotic relations with Pete where he really shines as a character, and I must say their relationship was actively capturing my interest even more than KinnPorsche's sometimes.

More of THAT would've been fun. I like that there's little hints of an attraction between Vegas and Pete before they actively begin connecting more explicitly. The seeds were planted but grew at the most random of times and yet I'm somewhat enthralled by the whole ordeal and want to see more. More of VegasPete would've really made for a deliciously dark BL tale and I'd've ate up every minute of it.

Not much to say for KinnPorsche themselves. Nothing bad or overtly negative by any means,. I thought they were really un to watch. I was definitely very entranced by Kinn's eyebrows. They look so GOOD! I understand, Porsche. I absolutely get it. Porsche himself could be a little overly comedic as a character but his overall arc and story won me over with him and his charm was always present.

As for the actual plot, this is where KinnPorsche actively falls hard. I was actually rather invested in the plot right up until the final two episodes. The mystery of how Porsche's parents died is a solid one on paper, but I feel like everything was thrown at the wall by the end and there were too many reveals happening at once for it to even make an impact on me. I honestly had a hard time following if Gun - Vegas' father and head of the minor family - was actually the bad guy, but it seems that Korn was really the mastermind and proved to be as cunning and sinister as his father had been.

Would I rewatch this? Probably yeah. It'd probably be fun to go back and see if there were any subtle details earlier on that would make more sense now knowing the whole story. And besides the sex scenes and chemistry between the two couples is captivating that seeing the attraction would be worthy of a rewatch alone.

Also want to say first and foremost that "ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB, BRO?" - in English no less - is one of my utmost favorite line deliveries ever heard from a BL. Of everything that this BL had in it, that will definitely stand out as one of the most memorable parts of it.

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it’s good but…

everyone i know talks a lot about how this is one of the best BL series ever. i wouldn’t say it’s the best but this does have a lot going for and against it.

pros:
- amazing acting from EVERYONE, from the main leads to the supporting cast. everyone ATE! for me, i think bible and apo did the best.
- porsche was such a freaking sunshine forget kinn i was ready to take a bullet for him myself
- i really liked the costumes and location settings, they really added to the whole vibe
- first 9 episodes were so freaking good i binged them all in a day

cons:
- went downhill after that
- where was the relationship development after the main couple got together? which brings me to
- why did porsche lose brain cells after they got together? like i was screaming the whole time at the screen, why did he just accept whatever kinn did without questioning him more?
- unnecessary screen time for kim and porchay, im sorry i don’t care about their relationship
- vegaspete’s relationship was also rushed, and i wish it stayed a bad ending

others have talked about the toxic/abusive elements about the romantic relationships so i won’t mention those. but i wanna know why the mum plot was included at the last minute? it felt so convoluted and messed up the story imo. not to mention, it was resolved pretty sloppily as well.

actually, the series was wrapped up sloppily in general. everything the first few episodes established were pretty much ignored, especially in regards to porsche’s character. however!!! i still ended up really liking this series and will probably rewatch this in the future.

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Highly Overrated

It was different from the general BL genre but just released at the right time. Though the fandom is super crazy but let me just say it.
So here it goes, I understand that Mile was the one who invested his money to make this possible he is amazing person and evrything but just not a great actor, his scenes were so off I had zero percent attachment with his character.
The story was made a better version of itself by the directors I got to give them that cause I've read the novel and it's pathetic beyond words. I was invested so so much in KimChay storyline. the second favorites were ofcourse VegasPete.

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Not perfect but sooo WORTH IT!

I don't know if everyone knows, but getting this series released was a miracle in itself.
Yeah it has some cringe and also some bad product placement scenes but those don't take away much. All the minor deficiencies are made up by the rest of the show, be it the superb chemistry of the main couple or the excellent cinematography.
I keep seeing people's comments that it's overrated but let me tell you it's not, within good reason. The show is amazing technical wise, the frames don't look soap operaish instead are of great quality, the best in Thai BL I've seen so far. The music is absolutely amazing. The supporting cast pulls their weight and more. Even the clothes, make-up and styling is gorgeous. This is evident especially if you watch the first version (cancelled) of the series.

And of course the highlight is kinn and porshe, it's fireworks whenever they are together. There are some problematic aspects due to an equally or more problematic source material (novel). But the writers of the series have mellowed it down a lot.
It's a different experience for those who are sick and tired of High school or college BLs.
Ps. Not safe for work

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Could've been epic but writers casually decided to made mess in some parts

I would be honest, I only watched this series for Vegas and Pete, and especially for Vegas in particular, but I was left disappointed with their screen time and writing.

Since I mentioned them, let's start with Vegas and Pete. I already said I watched this series just for them, and they both catch my attention the most. Honestly, I always get hooked to psychologically complex characters like Vegas and Pete, which is definitely the reason why they caught my attention the most. The portrayal of highly complex characters like them required way more screen time than the director gave them in the series. In almost 14 hours of series, they only get like 14 minutes, which left their story badly portrayed. Okay, so personally, I'm not against their relationship, and I won't say that writing controversial and psychology messed up relationship is particularly bad, but it takes extra efforts and care to rightly portray them. But whatever happens in the series is way more acceptable and better than the novel. In the novel, Pete was raped by Vegas, not just one time but over and over again, and in the novel, there was no internal conflict as in the series. As in the series, both were struggling with daddy issues, but in the novel, it wasn't like that, and I refused to believe that somebody can fall for their rapist. I get that it's the Stockholm effect or a machonist n sadist relationship, but still it's hard for me to except novel version of vegas.

So I'm quite glad they didn't follow the novel, and they made a lot of changes, but they definitely deserved and needed more screen time, like at least 3-4 episodes, or even more, to show their relationship dynamic better, and lastly, this could be a subjective opinion of mine, but if Vegas had died when he was shot, it would have been so much better, not because I hate him or something, but I think that tragedy death would have been so much better.

The sex scene of Vegas and Pete doesn't have a verbal consent, but since Pete kissed him first, we all have assumed that Pete gave his consent. Like really??? Should it be considered as consent??? But I can tolerate their sex scene more than Kinn and Porche scene. Kinn and Porche had sex twice, while Porche was unconscious, and yes, you can say that "Porche started liking him", but he was drugged, he was freaking unconscious, his consent at that period wouldn't be considered as consent. And we have to admit their relationship was as messed up not as much as Vegas and Pete but their relationship was everything but healthy. I've to admit, Kinn and Porche gave us some sweet romance scenes compared to Vegas and Pete cause these two bitches were only having scenes which could mentally mess you up.

Porche as a character is quite admirable in my eyes, a loving and hardworking brother and I would be lying if I don't say that I'm a little biased when it comes to Porche cause I was able to connect to him with older sibling who is a parent to younger sibling part. But Porche as a lover is quite stupid.
Talking about Kinn, he started off as a really strong character in start but I ended up not loving that character very much, they both turned out blind in love. And their relationship didn't have depth and internal conflict. For example, we get to see why Vegas and Pete fell for each other but Can we name a single thing why Porche and Kinn fell for each other despite their sex appeal to each other. Probably no and all I'm trying to say is it would've been better if they would've shown us their POV and internal feeling when they were falling for each other for more depth but this is completely my subjective opinion because I would not lie, I was personally looking forward to Vegas and Pete more than Kinn and Porche so this could be possible that I was not able to see their relationship depth. I haven't read their story in novel so I can't compare series with book but I must say that Kinn was quite toxic in series and he was even more toxic in novel. [ only read a small portion about Kinn in novel of Pete and Vegas story ] so that's all for them.

Now let's talk about the 3rd couple, Kim and Chay. You can hate me for saying this but in my opinion their relationship was unnecessary like both of their roles could be utilized better and yes I get it they look cute together and stuff but their relationship was nothing but an eye candy to watchers. But I must say they were the only sane couples in series and I actually was chill about it until I found out their real age gap was 10 years. Honestly 10 years of age gap is not the matter of scandal just because my subjective morals do not approve that but what I found scandals is that Chay was a minor at that time which I personally could not tolerate but I'm glad they got decent scenes and even off screen Jeff was pretty decent as well what I am able to see so far.
Chay's internal conflict is easy to break down, a young teenager fell in love with his fav singer and it made sense but I'm still not able to find out what's Kim's reason to love him back, like what was his internal depth? So still there is a lack of internal conflict writing like Kinn and Porche.
And talking about Kim as a character, I quite like him, he was just a one step away from becoming my fav character. He had flaws which made sense. His character arc was fine even there are still somethings which I didn't like about him but I can outright those with his decency.

Takkhun, he was quite an iconic character even a lot of people find him quite annoying which is understandable cause a Takkhun in real life would be an annoying a-hole but I quite like him in the series, he added the extra spice into it.

Talking about this series overall, It was good but it could've been so much better, it could've been one those bl series which could easily go in history because Mafia bl theme is quite rare I guess. It's always high school or university or sometimes office romance. But bl with mafia theme would be so fucking epic but the mafia theme got lost somewhere in bl. They were not able to consistently maintain mafia and bl together. And the plot of the series?? I dislike it. Don't ask me why I just personally didn't like where the series was going, it almost looked like some forced weird and alienated plot that made you go like wtf?? One side of me was so curious that how Porche's mom ended up like that and why but we ain't getting a second season so I think it would remain just a curiosity.

Other things about the series such as cinematography, I love it. I love the angles, shots, and visuals.
Acting, the cast did a great job, and some actors just nailed it, such as Bible as Vegas. Probably the best decision the makers made about the series, and considering it was his first project, he did such a good job. I personally feel like nobody could've played Vegas better than Bible. The sadistic nature, the anger, emotions, fear, guilt—everything was amazingly portrayed by him. Build as Pete, at first his acting didn't catch my attention very much, but the scenes which he did with Bible???? The smirk, the sorrow, the empathy, the emotions he conveyed, oh God, they were just fine. Takkhun, I don't know why, but I always felt that his character is hard to perform. Like all those dramatic dialogues, reactions, I just found them very overwhelming to perform, so he definitely did a great job. Porche, his acting was just perfect. Chaoticness, anger, love, sadness—he did a great job. Kinn, I might not like the character very much, but I love the actor and his acting. Kim, I personally feel like Jeff is quite opposite to his character in real life, so he definitely did an amazing job with his character. Chay, he was just 17 at that time, and it was his first time acting too, so considering all those facts, he did a great job with his role. And the rest of the actors did a good job too, making the story more enjoyable.

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Two words to describe the whole series: Very Cool

For those who are wondering, this series is a *happy ending* for 2 out of 3 couples.
TAGS: Violence, BDSM

One thing that I really love about this series is the fight scenes. The camera tricks and the martial arts of the actors are very notable and clean. Though the explosions are a bit childish for the lack of a better word.

The love scenes are almost soft porn as most love scenes shows they are somehow naked which gives the feeling of lust and love at the same time. There is a ton of sexual tension in the lovescenes, but still makes it to a point that the love story does not hinder the flow of the story much.

Now the flow of the story is very smooth...up until the last episode which really confused me alot. There they presented new plot points that made the story confusing. Even right now, I still dont understand who isnt lying: Korn or Vegas's father.

I guess there are a lot of points in the story left unanswered to make sure to pave the way for season 2.

Overall, I just want to say that I did not regret watching this series. I am a bit adamant to watch it because I dont watch shows where they physically hurt their partners, but this show is bearable in that area. Add to that that the plot is very immersive and makes you want to watch more.

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