TharnType (2019)

THARNTYPE

Okay after watching this Drama maybe the 10th time I'm here to tell you my view. This Drama is and was amazing. It doesn't matter how often you will watch it you will find new details and you will fall in love again.

For me, there are 3 reasons to watch this drama again and again. Reason 1 Mew Suppasit. His Role as Tharn really was gorgeous, I knew him before from the Ugly Duck Series but maybe I'm Dumb or Blind but I didn't pay him any attention in this Show even when he had some Sexy Scenes there and already showed his Arm and Hand Veins, I "IGNORED THEM" ? (Like Mushu from Mulan says " Shame on you, shame on your Family and Shame on your Cow!") and yes I'm a very big fan now of his Veins after watching both Series. ?

Okay, let's continue Reason 2 is the Chemistry between Mew and Gulf. Their Acting together was so nice to watch and you could see the Changes in every new Episode. Their Emotional Display was Chefs Kiss. And I really can say even if it's maybe a Spoiler KUDOS to Gulf in Season2 and his Acting Development!" They both are really good Actor and I can´t wait to see more Drama with them, it doesn't even need to be a BL again I think they both could fit into a Crime or Detective Drama too.

And Reason 3. P´NO, TECHNOOOOOO! Hello, who hasn't fallen in Love with our P´No. Everyone needs a No as his best friend. He is funny, caring and with him, you will have 10.000 Reasons to laugh because he always will make your Day with his Actions. Every Scene with him was Amazing and I laughed with Tears in my Eyes.

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I nearly stopped watching after the first two episodes, but decided to continue anyway as I have been reading really good reviews about it. The thing is, some really problematic scenes at the first two episodes may put off some viewers, and that's perfectly understandable. So if you're new to this, might as well watch the start and decide for yourself if you wanna continue. The story actually got better as the series progressed. And the chemistry between the two leads is topnotch. While a lot of people may disagree with me, but I must say this series is hard to top for me so far, especially in terms of chemistry between the two leads. That alone is enough to hook you with this one.

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This series normalizes forced sexual intercourse.

Strange country Thailand where a person instigates a gang rape against a minor, is discovered, there is evidence and instead of calling the police, reporting him and having him arrested, they leave him crying in the middle of the street. Same thing for the elder brother of the protagonist, he introduces his minor brother to a friend asking him to take care of him for serious family reasons and he rapes him, because having sex with a minor even if consenting is rape beautiful people for the law and the ethical sense of sane people there are not two opinions, but the elder brother instead of breaking the face of his "friend", denounce him and send him to jail continues to attend him peacefully and also invite him to lunch at the family home. Not to mention the times that the supone protagonist straight or bisexual tells the other that he doesn't want you to touch him and that he continues unscrupulously to do what he likes. In Thailand it seems that they still don't know that when a man or a woman says NO it means NO and you have to stop. This series normalizes forced sexual intercourse in a terrible way, it's garbage, violence and abuse from start to finish.

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Major regret.

Lhong should be In jail. Tharn was in no position to forgive Lhong as he wasn’t the victim of the traumatic crime.He basically said what Lhong did was fine because his childhood was rough… (normal people get therapy not organise a gang rape).
Tharns character had so many issues first being the fact he had no compassion for Types trauma and just decided the best way of dealing with it was to basically force him until he likes it. The second was that he sexually takes advantage of Type in the first couple episodes.

These types of themes shouldn’t be brushed aside or taken lightly , the people that make shows like these should be held accountable, it’s honestly sickening.

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Toxic relationship check!

I'll make it short:

Pro:
- Good acting and fantastic chemistry between the main cast
- Hot love scenes (the only reason I would watch this a second time :))
- Techno! I love him, he's easily the best character in the series!

Contra:
- Everybody is toxic (except Techno) ... and I mean the really, really bad kind of toxic
- Unsympathetic main characters (Type is childish, mean and abusive, Tharn is a whiney push-over and also abusive)
- Plot could have been good, if it were consistent.... I mean, they have Types childhood trauma, which they could explore a lot more, but it's practically forgotten after the first few episodes in favor of much more unrealistic and overdramatic (!) storylines
- Acting of the support roles was meh (except Techno of course, he's awesome!)
- No-consent scenes and the overall problematic and abusive relationship between Tharn and Type

I know that the series was created after a novel, so plot-wise they were limited. I just wish, they would have used the chance to fix some of the problematic things... or added more of the NG-scenes as compensation ;)

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I cant think of a title for this

If you haven't seen this series, I hope you read this. This entire series is a TRIGGER WARNING. Don't just go into this like I did thinking "Oh wow those are some HOT NC scenes" It's not worth it. I wanted to like this series... but it's challenging given how much SA and toxicity are in it. There is nothing healthy about their relationship. I don't tell anyone to watch this. Ever. It is full of triggers, homophobia, transphobia; the list goes on and on. Just because he changed his heart of the one person doesn't mean he can continue to be homophobic... like, COME ON. I really hope we can move past this in all future series from now on.

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Uma das melhores da minha vida

Estamos em 2022, e em meio a um lançamento de uma nova série da Mame, uma nova onde de hater surgiu, e eu senti a necessidade de vir falar um pouco sobre a primeira temporada de TharnType.
Esse é um dos BL's de estimação para mim, de vez em quando, em meio a uma extensa lista de mais de 400 Bl's assistidos entre 2007 e 2022 de diversos países da Ásia, eu o revisito e mato a saudade desses personagens tão complexos e que me cativaram tanto.

A polêmica inicial se deu em volta de todo o universo Mame, que abrangia Love by chance e TharnType, as duas séries se passam de forma paralela uma à outra. Há quem ame, há quem odeie, mas pouca gente ficou indiferente, e independente da onda de hater a série se configurou um sucesso estrondoso, alavancando a carreira dos protagonistas e a autora, bem como a produtora Me Mindy.

Minha singela opinião sobre essa série: MARAVILHOSA. Tem defeitos? Óbvio! Mas nada, absolutamente nada consegue tirar a genialidade dessa obra. A maior parte do hate se concentra em 3 pontos:

1. A relação entre Tar e Tun:
É fato que aparentemente eles são irmãos, existe uma polêmica que iniciou em Love by chance e vai se estender até a segunda versão de TharnType e A chance to love, e na minha opinião é um furo no roteiro. Vi várias pessoas falando que a novel explica, mas muitas pessoas (incluindo eu) não leem a novel, e nem querem ler. No momento que a obra é adaptada para a TV, se essa problemática tão delicada vai ser abordada, é interessante que seja explicada. Até hoje não entendi se eles são meios-irmãos, irmãos por afinidade, o pai de um casou com a mãe do outro, qualquer coisa que esclarecesse de vez a polêmica do amor de Tun por Tar.

2. A personalidade de Type
Essa é a situação que mais passo pano, quem não gosta, paciência. Cuide da sua opinião que da minha cuido eu.
A série é uma obra de ficção. Type é um jovem extremamente homofóbico, até mais que o normal, agressivo e com um péssimo temperamento. Essas características foram o suficiente para o linchamento virtual feito pelos juízes de plantão. Na minha opinião, Type foi abusado sexualmente aos 13 anos de idade, teve esse estupro exposto e mesmo sendo criança precisou sofrer e ver sua família sofrer lidando com essa situação. Após isso, foi criado longe de todos que pudessem "oferecer perigo", e só agora saiu das asas de sua família por causa da universidade. Existir uma fobia por gays, no caso dele, é totalmente justificável, quem foi abusado consegue entender os medos, inseguranças e traumas terríveis que são levados por toda a vida. O que os haters não entendem, é que a intenção da série (a meu ver), é justamente mostrar esse lado terrivelmente ferido, que ataca pra se defender, e mostrar toda a mudança ocorrida nele no decorrer da série, graças ao amor e a paciência de Tharn. Ao final da série, não se reconhece mais o Type dos primeiros eps, mesmo depois de assumir seu amor por Tharn ele continuava escondendo do mundo, mas a aceitação não acontece de uma hora para outra, principalmente quando existe uma personalidade com tantas chagas, tentando aceitar em si próprio aquilo que ele sempre odiou. Depois do choque de realidade, de ter medo de perder Tharn, ele admitiu seu erro e passou a se modificar, no final ele se transformou num homem totalmente apaixonado, altruísta, que colocou seu amor em risco para expor o vilão e salvar a reputação do seu rival no amor, ao entender que ambos passaram por um sofrimento semelhante. Outro ponto sobre a auto aceitação de Tharn, vai ficar visível no episódio especial, quando conhecermos seu pai totalmente homofóbico, ao contrário da família de Tharn, que sempre o acolheu e aceitou como ele é. Detalhes como ele pedir desculpas ao amigo, e mesmo sem perder o respeito por seu pai por um minuto sequer, lutar para que sua família aceite Tharn, é um dos principais pontos da mudanças dele.

3. Abuso sexual e ciúme excessivo de Tharn
Sim, não concordo com essa parte, até destoa da personalidade mostrada por Tharn, me senti enojada quando vi ele beijando e tocando Type enquanto ele dormia. Mas também vi o arrependimento dele, o desespero ao saber do passado de Type, e depois disso, nunca mais houve nada sem consentimento. Ele suportou abusos físicos e verbais, desprezo, abandono, mas não desistiu de lutar por Type. Em relação ao ciúme, vi o hate mas não vi o motivo. Sinceramente, achei Type muito mais ciumento do que Tharn, nem quero debater isso. Uso do termo "esposa"? Era 2019, infelizmente era algo natural na Tailândia e que só agora vem sendo modificado. Eu reitero a crítica sobre a situação não explicada ao público entre os irmãos Tar e Tun, e o fato de que Tharn também teve sua primeira relação sexual com 14 anos, e deixa claro que não gostou, ele também foi abusado e não vê isso como abuso, e a série passou pano pra essa situação. Por último, quero falar do vilão, Lhong. A série foi perfeita na construção do vilão. Até o dia em que ele soube do relacionamento de Tharn e Type, eu jamais diria que ele seria um vilão realmente, e ainda depois desse dia, eu ainda acreditei por algumas vezes que o vilão seria Tar. O ator (Kaownah) merece todos os aplausos pois sua atuação foi genial, tanto que o vilão terminou aclamado pelo público, e não odiado como ocorre normalmente. O problema que envolve o fim e o vilão, é a passada de pano fenomenal para os crimes que ele cometeu. Caraleo, ele contratou 3 caras para estuprarem o garoto, destruiu a vida e o psicológico do menino, prejudica a vida de várias pessoas e não tem nenhuma punição? WTF!


A série como um todo tem uma história maravilhosa, roteiro muito bom, direção nem se fala, a fotografia da série é linda e a ost uma das melhores que já vi. A atuação pra mim, com certeza 10/10. A química entre Mew e Gulf é algo realmente surreal, chega a deixar dúvidas se é realmente interpretação (Alice falando). Poucas séries tem um casal tão absurdamente perfeito em cena como eles dois, nas cenas quentes, nos beijos, nos olhares, a tensão sexual, tudo entre eles é muito intenso e sensual, fora que são dois gostosos. Não foi à toa que o casal recebeu o prêmio de melhor beijo do ano, e foi um beijo no pé!!! Atuação e química, conceito, coesão e aclamação. O final dessa série é algo espetacular, um dos melhores episódios finais que já vi.

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When I first began watching BLs, I wasn't aware of the common criticisms of the subgenre. When I started to see people say that BLs are written by girls for girls, it struck me as odd that m/m romances were written more for girls than gay males. Despite that, I always felt that even gay males can write stories and relationships similar to the one in BLs. I often argue that the common BL criticisms are a little too harsh.

But TharnType is the first time where I felt like this story appeals to girls more than boys. The plot is driven by extremely toxic behavior. TharnType is popular for the same reason that movies/books like After, Fifty Shades of Gray, Twilight, 365 Days, etc. are popular: romanticization of abusive relationships. Only difference here is that the physical abuse is brushed off completely because it's a male-on-male offense.

Nearly every review mentions it but in the first few episodes, Tharn makes some hella rapey decisions. It took me a while to not snarl at him every time he appeared on screen. But eventually, I stopped snarling because Type is such an abusive boyfriend that I started to feel sorry for Tharn.

And even outside of the glorification of the abuse and sexual assault, the writing still left much to be desired. I never really felt like Type got over his homophobia. Even while he was in a committed relationship with Tharn, he still openly admitted to hating gays and even expressed his homophobia to his GAY boyfriend, as if it was a cute interaction. Type never fully processed his homophobia at any point in the show. That storyline feels just as incomplete as Seo and Klui's; and whose genius idea was it to close out their arc with a love confession? It feels like a dropped storyline rather than a purposeful storytelling choice.

I couldn't watch TharnType back-to-back, and it wasn't because I didn't care enough about the story but because I just wasn't rooting for titular couple. Sure, there are some individual scenes that (when disregarding the history of abuse and toxicity) I thought were either heartwarming or heartbreaking. Truthfully, I didn't absolutely despise TharnType's relationship and that in itself is a triumph. Both characters have given me so many reasons to HATE them and their relationship, but I didn't. I still didn't like them or root for them, but I didn't hate them.

I think a lot of that is because the leads are great actors. They really bring these character's emotions out and it makes me feel for them in individual moments. The entire cast gave a solid performance, which helped soften the blow with some extremely melodramatic material in the last couple episodes.

The music also played its part in making the show somewhat enjoyable despite the writing that only seemed to care about making exciting drama for TharnType's relationship instead of holding them accountable for shitty personality traits like homophobia, physical abuse, and rapey tendencies.

Simply said, the show had potential, but the writing just needs to be ironed out.

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Techno being the only (kind of) sane person in this mess of a series

I don’t even know where to start. I kept seeing people talk about TharnType being one of the must-see BL series, so I decided to give it a go. It definitely had some good moments, but it also had quite a few bad ones.

But let’s start with the good. I think both Mew and Gulf are amazing actors and have done an amazing job playing their characters. I really loved the way the two of them acted out certain more emotional scenes. We can all agree that the two actors have an amazing chemistry. I do find it hard to imagine Mew as university freshman, but it wasn’t really something I was too bothered by. Also, the ice kiss. I’m just going to leave it at that. The OST was amazing as well, I really enjoyed Mew’s voice. It’s very soothing.

The friend group was… interesting. The two roommates were a lot of fun, Khlui being the noisy neighbor that we all have was an absolute joy. Even if he was a bit clueless. And pairing him with wanna-be-idol Seo was a combination I didn’t know I needed. Champ and his food obsession were a bit overdone at moments, but I think he was a nice addition to the group.

Now, let’s talk Techno. I truly believe that he was the only (kind of) sane person in this whole mess of a series. Sure, he sucks at keeping secrets and did make some questionable decisions, but most of the time, he was the one making sure things didn’t go from bad to worse. I know he was often used as this comic relief character, which is a bit disappointing, as I believe they could have done much more with him.

Thorn and Tanya (Tharn’s siblings) were absolutely amazing as well. And I feel like the relationship shown between them is very realistic. I have siblings, trust me. I just wish that Thorn would be a little less supportive of Tharn and his toxic relationship with Type. I still have a lot of questions about San. I don’t think a punch in the face would be enough for me to forgive if he did that to my brother.

Now, a warning. When I talk about characters, I am talking about characters. It has nothing to do with the actors who played them. I know they are not the ones that come up with the story, they simply act what they are told to act. So, keep that in mind. I know I will ruffle a lot of feathers with my opinions on the characters below.

Tum & Tar – just why? I get that Tum has a crush on Tar, that’s an issue I just don’t feel like getting into. Let’s just say that stepsibling relationships are not something I usually enjoy when the two characters pretty much grew up together. But with the number of problems and symptoms Tar was showing, I can’t believe that Tum didn’t try to find out more earlier. I think we can all agree that Tar’s story is heartbreaking, and I am not trying to put any blame on him. Could he do things differently later in the series? Yes. Do I understand why he didn’t? Yes. He is a victim of an incredibly violent crime, and fear of something like that either happening again or becoming a public knowledge has a lot of power.

Llhong – why is he not in jail? I think that after he dropped the glass, we all knew he was madly in love with Tharn. I was surprised just how awful he actually is, but his feelings were not a surprise. And while on the topic of Llhong, let me just add that giving him a special episode to make us feel bad for him was the worst possible decision they could have made. He does not deserve a redemption arc. The end! Kudos to the actor though, he did an amazing job when it came to switching the emotions shown.

Tharn & Type: say what you want, but they deserve each other. And I don’t mean that in a good way. Type has his own problems from before, which does to some extent explain his homophobic behavior and thinking. He did cross certain limits though. But what I found to be maybe even worse was his abusive and manipulative behavior towards Tharn once they got together. The jealousy was overdone, and the fact that he punched Tharn, multiple times? Red flag after a red flag. To be honest, Tharn is full of red flags as well. He was too pushy, especially knowing that Type is not okay with gay men. Adding to that, he sexually assaulted Type, multiple times. And yes, him kissing him without his consent, trying to get him off when he caught him, and going down on him in the bathroom were all non-consensual. Also, their first time – I don’t get the thought process behind it, I really don’t.

I think the timeline of the story is all over the place as well. The way the characters deal with problems is a mess on a whole other level. There is very little to no actual character development. The writers included a ton of serious issues – from sexual assaults and trauma related to it, mental illnesses, homophobia… yet none of them were handled in an appropriate manner. They were done in a very ignorant and offensive way.

I’d probably give it an even lower rating, but the acting and the OST are saving it.

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2nd review of this toxic drama

Okay, when I first wrote about Tharn/Type, I gave it 10s across the board. I know now that this was because I never really watched this show with an "adult" eye. Having read some of the reviews (positive & negative) and then re-watching the show, I've revised my opinion.

I give the acting for this show a 10 due to the ACTORS, not their characters. The actors portraying their characters were very good. I even like the acting of Kittipat Kaewcharoen (Kaownah) who played the antagonist Lhong. All played their parts well despite the very difficult plot.

However, the plot was very toxic for Tharn & Type (and Lhong, too). The fact of Type's being raped by a man as a child is totally glossed over, the fact that Tharn kisses and touches Type while he is asleep and without Type's consent, that despite his childhood trauma Type still allows Tharn to give him a bj and then as a "thank you" and to "do it once and get it over with", Type becomes the "under" for Tharn - who said that this won't be just once, is DISGUSTING and ABHORRENT! How did Type "get over" his trauma so quickly without any type of therapy? Why didn't Tharn, who supposedly loves Type so much, use his care for Type to gently encourage and help Type deal with and heal from that trauma before trying to become Type's boyfriend? And why did Tharn, when he and Type officially became a couple, immediately take type out to a bar, KISS HIM IN PUBLIC and then get upset when Type got angry? Just because Tharn was comfortable with his sexuality (he'd had time and came out on his own terms) didn't mean Type could handle it and WANTED to announce that he had a boyfriend! Tharn was incredibly SELFISH to EXPECT Type to admit his feelings for Tharn.

And the very toxic Lhong and how he manipulated Tharn and assaulted and almost murdered Type because he (Lhong) thought that he DESERVED Tharn as a boyfriend as he'd been Tharn's "friend" for years. He gets NO jail time or time in a psychiatric hospital? He's not punished at all? WHY did Tharn's own BROTHER treat Lhong with no anger whatsoever, and wish Lhong all the best?!

All in all, this drama was NOT a good BL, nor a good DRAMA, at all, not because the acting was not good, but because of the awful script and awful direction. So I've revised my "10" review down to 3.0 - and I don't recommend anyone watch this.

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Engaging...but, be prepared to dislike characters.

Firstly, I believe it's okay to dislike and judge characters and their choices without discrediting an entire show. Secondly, this show should probably come with a trigger warning. I do think the acting was good, and I say that partially because of how often I was talking to my screen about how awful a character was being. Type is not a good guy. He isn't a good partner for most of the show. He does have reasons for his feelings, but that does not excuse his actions. I don't think he was ever held appropriately accountable. Tharn is so hurt by thinking he must be a bad person since everyone leaves him, that he doesn't try to hold Type accountable. You just want to yell at your screen that it's all counterproductive and they NEED THERAPY, but...that being said, trauma can be internalized this way. It's a drama, so the biggest conflict is super intense, but the little stuff isn't totally unrealistic. I'm sure some people could find relatable moments in there. I think this drama is fine to watch for the acting and for possible catharsis, but you have to keep in mind the situation. It's possible to get lost in the cute parts and the sexy parts without realizing it, and no one wants to romanticize trauma or abuse.

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