Jack and Joker (2024)

perfeição

Estou completamente obcecado por jack & joker, bl perfeição, roteiro e personagens bem desenvolvidos, química absurda dos Yinwar, momentos engraçados, cenas boas de ação e drama também, não tenho o que falar mal, merece cada nota boa e toda atenção que estão dando, pra mim já é o BL do ano.

Tanto o Jack quanto o Joker são complexos e não há pressa em desenvolver os sentimentos, ambos tem seus conflitos pra resolver e mesmo assim estão ali um pro outro, por mais que o mundo queira separar eles, da pra ver o olhar deles o quanto eles não querem ficar separados, o quanto se amam e o quanto já são uma familia.

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Yin & War's Acting has Improved Exponentially, Grandma is MVP, Plot & Characters Sold Separately

I will always watch Yin and War's shows or films whether they do them together or apart because I think they are great actors and that was shown in this series above all else. The improvement in the last 2 years is huge. This isn't a genre I watch and therefore have only watched their stuff and nothing else; am only a cdrama watcher. Loved grandma; she was the awesome MVP but the plot and some characters were in the twilight zone. Because this is different from what I usually watch, pros and cons will be mixed together as it's easier to explain.

As mentioned above, I can't get enough of Yin and War's improvement in their overall acting here as Jack and Joke. If it was just them two, grandma, Joke's family, the kids (especially Toi Ting, who was too cute for words), and some of the antagonists, it would have been enough. The first two episodes were the strongest and then it just spiraled out of control. The plot was a mix of too much flamboyance where serious words were spoken and actions taken, plot holes, complete nonsense, comedy that absolutely didn't land, and a bunch of actors like Prom, Bonz, Mark, and the dudes that played Hope and Save seriously need to take more acting classes. This just isn't their thing; I know Bonz is a serious singer so he should stick to that. Everyone else perhaps belong in other industries. The characters of Hope, Save, and Rose annoyed the ever living daylights out of me, but towards the end they matured and grew on me; still have a long way to go though.

You could tell right away who the mainstream actors were because they were actually serious and played their parts well; they didn't over act or be so over dramatic you just wanted to fast forward them. The comedy was slapstick and nearly shoved down your throat. Like this just isn't funny! Stop! The 4 Horseman plot with Sauron's Ring belonging back in Mt. Doom and the Ring Around the Rosie of more of the same was yawnsville. The finale episode would have been strong had there not been the obvious plot holes and dumbass humor of ok Jack has a gun, shoot boss but nope! Or the bomb activation tablet is tossed near a handcuffed Joke who can obviously get it but he just stays put. Meanwhile the martial arts were ground to slow motion and though Jack is great at going tit for tat with Carbon (both actors did well with learning basic martial arts kicks and punches), Jack periodically stops to run over to Joke and hug him; like what in the what? End it already! Make most of it make sense, someone please.

The actual ending was decent for all and the chemistry between Jack and Joke was undeniable from the get go so I'm glad we ended with them. I'm glad Joke's dad came around from an arrogant asshole to the father Joke deserved after Top and Jack's grandma talked some sense into him; it was a little too fast but given everything else, I'll take it. The opening theme of the series was great; it showcased what this show was supposed to be but ultimately fell short plot wise.

Would I recommend it? Only for Yin and War's awesome acting. It was believable and the chemistry was on point. Turn your brain off if you want a cohesive story that makes any sort of sense. It's entertaining enough and that's about it.

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You think you stole my heart? But it was already yours to begin with!

This is the story of a righteous potato and a dumb fox who met each other at the right time but in the wrong place. Later, the series delves into their chaotic lives to show that separated, they're miserable, but together, they're sunshine on earth.
 
✓Things that I appreciated:
 
• The main lead's natural chemistry is what brought us here. Storyline is important, but without camaraderie between the actors, establishing good content is impossible. Yin and War's portrayal of Jack and Joker showed us that with mutual understanding and support they can conquer the world!
 
• The main motto of the series was not to make a goofy light rom-com but to create an everlasting impression on the audience. The thrill, suspense, comedy, and romance it delivered were equally divided into parts that didn't outshine each other.
 
• The brilliant side characters Ama and Toey Ting. They were those supportive pillers; without them, the series would be incomplete. Ama's wisdom and Toey Ting, the Smarty pants, brighten up the mood instantly whenever they're on screen. The best supporting role goes to them!
 
• In the era of "who's more dominant" talks, we got our vice kings! One dialogue, "Let me lead today," warmed up my heart. This proves they're not showing what the audience wants but what they should expect. They set the bar high; no chance of defeat!
 
• This is not just a BL drama; it's more than that. It's a story of rays of hope finding their way through the darkest corner of hell. This is a tale of unprecedented happiness you get for fighting for your loved ones, i.e., family. Outside the blood-related family, you create bonds, which lead to an orientation of a family that accepts you for who you are and makes you shine beyond your shortcomings. 
 
• I loved how the storyline was not entirely dependent on romance but had a proper story to tell, which created a huge anticipation throughout the episodes. The audience didn't get bored but rather was immersed in it the whole time.
 
✓Room for improvement:
 
•I would really appreciate it if action scenes were shown more naturally than memorised steps. Although they improved a lot from the first episode till the last one. This was my only problem; otherwise, it was a perfect series from start to finish.
 
Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed the rollercoaster ride of anticipation, disappointment, sadness, and joy. It was thrilling to begin with. All those comedic elements did give a moment of relief and rehabilitation from the series of serious situations. Highly recommend. If you're looking for something fun and thrilling with a dollop of romance blooming, then this is it.

9/10 and 0.5 for my immense love for Yinwar (≧◡≦) ♡ they'll be dearly missed!

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.....so this was all a game

I hate that boss man. Genuinely waited for a crocodile is swallow him up. Don't ask me how but he deserved a painful death for being so annoying
Sir. He wants to be a movie villian so bad urgh

McSexy Feat. McHottie
That's my nickname for yinwar. They make a very cohesive and attractive pairing. Both being very good-looking with striking constrasts. If not for anything they'll continue to be successful because people genuinely enjoy watching them on screen. Good chemistry and palpable sexual tension.

Story
There are glaringly 3 main problems I've encountered watching this. The first one being ;

1. The story's writing. I could see the vision. Jack being bamboozled (big word for scammed) by Joker and forced to work as an enforcer for a criminal. Joker coming out from prison to help jack pay off his debt as restitution for destroying his life and ruining his future. The both of them growing as people and falling in love while taking down the big bad boss.

This is a good plot that would have worked with better writing. Watching the episodes singularly you don't notice the deficiencies in the plot as a lot of the situations simply made no sense but as i binged, I realised that the pacing was either too fast or too slow a lot of times with scenes being jumbled up with poor continuity as it moved from an episode to the next, with the same characters repeating the stupid mistakes they'd made and resolved 2 episodes ago .

2. Character development
I'm sure i will get pushback from this. But I didn't see any growth. The deficiencies were right from the beginning as both characters should have been edgier, darker, gritty 555and jaded. That would have raised the stakes and heightened the tension.

Jack was the same naive fool that had been tricked 4 times in the span of 10 episodes while his love interest, a reckless bull headed idiot (that thought he was a genius) that escalated situations for the worse. They never changed as people, as already since the beginning, they were portrayed as being kind, understanding and a bit misunderstood. So it made perfect sense that Joker felt guilty for his past actions and Jack was still unable to commit to being a heartless gangster.
I didn't see neither of them learning from their past actions and trying to move different. Joker still often times resulted to being a thief to solve problems. And that's why the story fell in a loop as they always ended up in the same situations again and again.

3. Love story
The reasons why i praised yinwar for their ship earlier, is because they're damn good ship. Better than most I've seen this year because, you actually can see them in your head sneaking off somewhere being in love or just being friends. They sell it. And they sold it. Even in the worst of moments that this show befuddled my mind (confused) me and had me fastforwarding a lot of useless scenes, I was rewarded with a cute scene or two per episode of them just being them. I wanted the satisfaction of just seeing them lock eyes and say the "i love yous" and kiss till the panties started dropping. I always looked forward to their scenes.

But that doesn't erase the obvious fact that the buildup to them falling in love was quite rushed. There was no real resolution of the past between them, no earth shattering realisation, or the unimaginable mental torture that would justify jack forgiving joker for fucking with him, and then later falling in love with him, after hating his guts for so long. That is what i didn't understand.

Then there's hope and save. Just throw those two away. Wasting precious screentime that should have gone into arranging this story.

Acting
It had some good solid moments. A lot of heartmelting scenes that reminded me of human resilience in the face of.....err oppression? Or their mistakes
Zorzo is gorgeous as always. I enjoyed scenes with her. A lot of the side characters were...underwhelming in their delivery but I'd have to applaud the older actors (boss man made me despise him fr) for doing great jobs. Nice to see Mark Siwat in a new role as well.

Rewatch Value
I felt the most relief watching the boss and that psycho sidekick of his get defeated. So satisfying. But I'd say that the ending was a bit silly in how every character had a side quest and were cosplaying the squid games. The journey to freedom was arduous and perilous and I dont want to be put through that again.

I think all in all with its mistakes it still rounded out to be a fairly good show that made you root for the underdog. I see the excitement for yinwar and they carried it as best as they could.

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Jack & Joker: Surely won my heart

In my opinion, this genre suited YinWar the best! As if they were made for this. Yin's acting improved so damn much compared to what it was in En Of Love... His expression, dialogue throws everything... everything is so much better now. As for War, did we ever get to judge his acting skills? He is perfect. The most perfect actor to express anything without a single speech with the help of only eyes... Every single character was very beautifully played by each and every actor specially the little junior star who played Toi Ting. For the first time, a child cast really impressed me so much! She killed it!
As for the story or plot, I thought it will have many plot holes tbh, but it proved me wrong. The plot was amazing just how it was for KinnPorsche and the cinematography, direction and also the production was totally nailed.
This one deserves a lot more promotion and recognition than anything. It had the perfect coordination of dark, fluf, comic and mystery in it making it a masterpiece for sure. The chemistry among each and everyone of them was top tier which blended so well with the on-camera bond they had to potray.
The best part of this is definitely how irrespective of the story inclination, the romance was never left out which made it such a comfortable journey to watch through.
Bored of same university typical plots? (though GMM is serving rn) You have to watch it for sure!

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Not worth to hyped

The first thing I want to mention is that the drama does not touch on serious issues as it is presented, on the contrary, they escape this situation by taking lighly as jokes. The most important of the problems they mentioned is that children cannot go to school due to poverty. In my opinion, this is just a cover used to deepen Jack's character, but it fails to do so. These people live in places called slums in Thailand, where extremely poor people live. If these children do not study, the two important problems they fall into, such as drugs and prostitution, are never mentioned. I say this to those who defend that it does not focus on the BL plot because it deals with serious issues. For example, Jocke spends five years in prison, but we do not see any real psychological or physical reflections of this, as if he came from a Los Angeles vacation.
However, some will say that the BL part is slowburn. But I do not think that the two characters spend enough time in the series to form a bond and understand each other for a series to be slowburn in this respect. If we look at the length of over an hour and take into account the eight episodes we have, the sum of the scenes they are together does not make up one episode of the series. I don't think the basis or development of their love or hatred for each other is reflected enough. The fact that we "understand, know" does not mean that they reflect this in the story well. The fact that the English love confession scene is turned into a joke is an example of this, or the fact that they still use the word "friend" while hugging in bed in the last episode. I am really tired of these. To be honest, even if the scenes of the two of them together are few, the script does not have the potential to fill the remaining parts, it is boring and stupid most of the time, so I watch it by skipping many parts. It is an unnecessarily overhyped series. The few lovely moments they will put in the last three episodes will not change my opinion that the series as a whole is boring and has a poorly written script.

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They stole my heart; why does it have to be them again?

This self-produced labour of work is a story of two possibly fated lovers: Jack, who righteously cares for those around him and does not choose the easy way out because he's seen how things can go from good to bad to worse when dishonest measures are used, and Joke, who intensely cares for the good and warm-hearted and would do anything to make sure his loved ones are free.

The show does a decent job of reflecting the issues faced by the working class, the depths to which one can sink when choosing illegal measures (eg, collecting debts from loan sharks or straight up robbery) and what the repercussions of such methods can be. It does not shy away from being honest, although sometimes, it could do with a little more grit and passion. There were times that I felt that the heist scenes could have been more...professional, or at least a little less leaning on luck. But in the end, it makes sense that the heists are the way it's shown since the characters involved are not people with abundant cash flow or connections and it helps to show how impulsive one can be when in a stressful situation.
So ultimately, it does not take away from the messaging and the romance.

Speaking of romance, since it's a slow burn, we can see Jack & Joke having these little moments of falling in love sprinkled throughout the show. Yin and War have done a fantastic job at speaking through their eyes with each other and their chemistry keeps you hooked.

The show is also a good reflection of flawed yet tight friendships. Hoy, Tattoo and Aran are funny, sweet and deserving of all the love in the world. Bonz and Prom have excellent comic timing and Mark is such a cutie, after a few episodes, I really wanted to keep him in my pocket.

A hero is only as good as the villain and honestly, the villains here will make you want to go across your screen and finish them. Boss and Carbon are so easy to hate and they must be applauded for it.

A special shoutout to Grandma, Toi Ting and Rose, these three girls stole hearts so easily. They were the consciousness of the show in a way and it made for a pleasant watch.

The music, cinematography and direction of the show are well done. I want to applaud the action scenes, they were so well executed and it kept the balance between pure action and comedy.
The writing shows the characters, especially J&J, being fairly opposites but still fitting together perfectly. If one is logical, the other is impulsive; but when they team up, they can do wonders. And why do they team up? Because at their cores, they both have an extreme sense of justice and want to make the world a better place for the people they love.

All in all, I'm proud of YWPB for venturing into producing something that would push the boundaries of romantic shows and doing it quite well.

So should you watch this show? YES, a thousand times yes. It is one that you won't regret.

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It's somewhere between like and hate ...

Let's see -

Like:
Yin and War are still good together. Though it is War that emotes it better.
Depiction of true poverty. Really brought to life the effects of debt and poor choices. The sweaty faces (may not have been part of the script), cramped tumbled rooms and scrappy clothes made the setting believable.
Grandma bringing the comedy and sound counseling.
Rose accepting the refusal with a little class and not hanging on for scraps.
Bad happens to everyone. How it is dealt with is on you. Same event but different choices between Nang and Boss.
Aran's downward slide into poverty was covered.
Aran building Tattoo's ego when he needed it most.
Joke crying. Again, I repeat, Joke crying.
Hope reminding Jack that he had to do some dark shit for Boss, also.
When Joke saved Jack from Boss without telling him that he saved him.
Joke raising his hand to touch Jack's face but stops midway as Rose interrupts. Jack sneaking one last look at Joke as he goes through the doorway.

Hate:
Everything else.
Script felt like I was watching an ant farm. All over the
place with a ridiculous series of events and asinine characters. Four Horsemen? Chutes and Ladders? Collars that could detonante? A ring that turned Boss into gollum instantaneously?
Jack going back to Boss immediately.
Over the top acting.
Joke getting caught the majority of the show. A master thief he was not.
No explaination as to what was Joke's learning difficulty but he is a teacher for the impoverished children. How? Make it make sense.
Humor that was not humorous.
Joke looking clownish in some of his disguises.
Joke spent 5 years in jail and still got beat. What did he learn? How to pick the ugliest comical tattoos? The boy went in jail looking wealthy and came out like he was from the ghetto all his life.
Jack helped the entire neighborhood but grandma was still in poverty.
Boss' laugh.
The struggle of who would top? Not necessary to the script.
There was no real charm to their relationship and seemed lacklustre at the end.

There is more but I'll stop here. The entire production team can go back to school to learn how to create a series within budget with a coherent plot and engaging characters. Jack and Joker was a sweaty mess from beginning to end with too many characters and very little plot to tell a cohesive story. While actors can look for roles to show their versatility, Yin and War can do better. The beginning was good. The ending was not.

Rewatch: Only if grandma is hurling a plate of chive dumplings at me.

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Já estou morrendo de saudades da série. Entregou tudo!! O último episódio foi perfeito, com reviravoltas inesperadas. Somente Tattoo para conseguir levar um tiro no bumbum deitado e Sorry ganhou um novo significado para mim 55555. Só tenho a agradecer a YinWar por acreditarem e investirem na série, que me fez amar e aguardar ansiosamente pelas segundas-feiras!!! A história é cativante e te prende desde o primeiro episódio porque soube dosar na medida certa comédia, ação, drama e romance. A produção é impecável. A química entre Yin e War é inegável. Todo o elenco teve uma atuação irrepreensível, mas quero destacar Suporn Sangkaphibal, a avó do Jack, uma das responsáveis por todas as minhas risadas e pelas cenas mais inesperadas e a pequena grande Taengkwa Chananticha Chaipa, Toi Ting, que deu um show de interpretação. Já estou aguardando pelo menos mais duas sequências: a história de Tattoo e Aran e a história de Hope e Save!!!!

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So close to being a master piece

Everything about this drama was perfect.... except for the scenario.

With such an original and interesting trope, I was hyped from the first episode. It unfortunately didn't last long, but let's start with the things I enjoyed:

-The characters. They all had such great, complex, and human personnalities. Their developpement was also on point, and all the characters grew up and changed in their own ways. Even Boss, who was pretty much your basic mafia villain had some traits that made him interesting. My favorite ones were definitely: 1, Joke. A bit stupid and playful, makes everything look simple, but is very emotionally sensitive in all the good ways possible. 2, Aran. Spoiled brat who has a very good heart and loves his father no matter what. He is very human, for someone who started off as the daddy's princess stereotype. 3, Rose. I expected her to be the tipical annoying BL female rival when she was first introduced, but turns out that, while she still is a bit of a spoiled princess, she thinks logically, makes smart decisions and respects/supports Jack no matter what.
-The acting. I know I'm not taking any risk by saying that War's performance was phenomenal. But even if it's hard for the others, especially Yin, to stand out when playing alongside War, I still think they all did an amazing job and none of them stuck out with bad performance, EXCEPT for most of Boss's guards (especially in episode 12. I laughed a few times at how ridiculous their acting was, but I'm gonna say it was probably a director's choice to make them look stupid).
-The relationships. Let's put the romance aside for now and focus and the relationship itself. I really liked the dynamic between Jack and Joke. It weren't some clear Top/bottom bullshit were the bottom is basically treated like a woman or a weakling the whole show, and even during the NC scene, it wouldn't have shocked me if they had decided to switch roles. I also liked Aran and Tattoo, Tattoo and Hoy, Hoy and Nang, Nang and Rose, Joke and jack's grandma, with his family, with Toi Ting... all of the relationships, although not always developped, had some importance to the story and made everything look very natural.

Now... let's dive onto what didn't work at all: the scenario and the romance.
I am aware that this is fictional and that it doesn't need to be realistic. But there are some limits that should not be crossed if you want your story to be taken seriously.
It started from the very beginning, with the first time we saw Joke steal. I remember thinking "there is no way he got away with that." Same goes for the scene at the bank, and then for every single action/stealing scene. The employee at the bank sending a regular customer (jack) to the headquarter manager (joke). Joke knocking over a whole box of fish and icecubes in the guard room at Rose's mansion and them sitting there later like it never existed. The security camera screens giving also acess to Boss's bombing system in the last episode. Nonsense. If it were just that, it would be acceptable, but there are sooo many more moments where nothing makes sense because of the lazy writing and easy short cuts. Even though it doesn't have to always be realistic, a story must keep somewhat of a logic otherwise the audience will just stop taking it seriously. It was especially annoying in the last episode with the guards being completely useless and stupid, Boss not thinking a single time Joke could have written Zorry (and I checked, he didn't even try the W! He just pressed whatever), Joke kicking the tablet instead of bringing it closer to grab it, Jack jumping to Joke instead of grabbing that tablet later.... And I was glad the ring turned out to be the horsemen playing with Boss, because I was so done when all the sudden he was seen as this unstoppable villain just because he got his hand on some ring.
This could have been mostly ignored if it was supported by a good romance, but it was mild. A lot of people mentionned it already so I won't talk about it for long, but Jack and Joke's realtionship was treated more like a bromance than an actual romance. They had a few sweet moments, but I didn't feel that emotional/physical attraction between the two before the first kiss. Also, there were so many characters and things going on that they rarely got to share a moment just the two of them, or when they did they were surrounded by others. I really liked the scene after Rose's rescue in the first episode where Rose is trying to talk and the two guys are just looking at each other like they're the only ones to exist, but the only moment we got to enjoy this vibe again was in the last episode when they were about to die. Plus, they hurt each other so much during the whole show, that I would have wanted a more intense moment only between the two at the last episode after everything was over. We only got to see a sweet ice cream eating moment where as we should have had something more serious, more deep that could have end up in them finally and properly putting behind them all their struggles to be able to make the most out of their future. At least that's how I felt.

Anyway, it was overall a good watch and I'm gonna miss them a lot.

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